Joan De Vernon

• General Notes
  • The following is excerpted from a post, 9 Apr 1997, by Ronny Bodine:
    
    From: RBodine996 (rbodine996@@aol.com)
    Subject: VERNON of SHIPBROOK, CHESHIRE, 1325-1498
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 1997/04/09
    
    Hopefully someone can part the clouds on a problem that I have encountered and unable to explain away logically.  This concerns identification of the parents of Dorothy Vernon, wife of Sir John Savage (d. 1492), of Clifton, Cheshire.  There are different versions of what her ancestry should be, all agreeing she was descended from SirRalph de Vernon, baron of Shipbrook, who died soon after 1325 at a great age, through his grandson, Sir Richard de Vernon, of Shipbrook, who died at the battle of Shrewsbury in July 1403.  These sources are The Visitation of Cheshire in1580, Collins' Peerage of England (6th Edition, 1814, VII: 396-399), Lyson's Magna Britannia (1810, II: 648-649) and the 2nd edition of Ormerod's History of Chester (1882, III: 248-253).  Collins cites Lyson as its source, which cites "Smith's Pedigrees" a reference I have not been able to locate, but which may well be the 1580 Visitation in some form.
    
    I read through all of the Cheshire Recognizance Rolls from 1415-1500. They have been published in the 37th volume of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Record and are arranged chronologically by surname, a very easy to follow arrangement.
    
    On 25 April 1421, a writ of liveryrelated the descent of the barony of Shipbrook from Sir Ralph de Vernon, therein referring to a fine levied at Chester in July 1325 between the elder Sir Ralph de Vernon and Master Richard de Vernon, his elder son [Rector of Stockport 1306-1334].  After failure of the the elder children of old Sir Ralph to leave any male heirs among their descendants, the barony passed to Richard, son of SirRalph, who, from other sources was referred to as a "bastard."  This Richard left two sons, Ralph and Richard.  Ralph died without male heirs [in 1396/7] andhis brother Richard succeeded, assigning dower to his brother's widow, Margaret.  When Richard de Vernon died [July 1403] Shipbrook passed to his son, Richard de Vernon, Kt., who then assigned dower to his mother, Elizabeth.  From the IPM of the last Sir Richard, we learn he was born 7 July 1383 and died 3 Sept 1419, leaving a widow, Eleanor, daughter of Hugh de Holes, and his only child, a daughter named Joan, aged 3 [born 1416].  From a writ of livery of 21 April 1474, we learn that Eleanor, widow of the last Sir Richard, died recently leaving as her heir, her daughter Joan, wife of Robert Foulshurst, Kt.

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